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*If you want to try or to stay in the new system: you don't need to do anything.
*If you had explicitly disabled the visual editor in the past and want to keep it disabled: you don't need to do anything.
*All the registered users have a dropdown menu in the [[Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-editing|Editing tab of their Preferences]] ({{int:prefs-editing}} --> {{int:visualeditor-preference-tabs}}), where they can choose from. <u>This only needs to be done once after the system has been deployed.</u> Don't forget to save ;)
**<small>Users with the visual editor disabled need to re-enable it if they're interested in accessing that menu!</small>
*People who use the visual editor regularly will see a pop-up <u>(only once after the single edit tab system is introduced)</u>, and they can choose their favorite setting there. Of course, they can change their mind at any time just like the others, and pick a different setting from their Preferences.
**Anonymous users who have used the visual editor recently will also be able to choose which editor they want to edit with.
**''Reminder: all the users will always have the opportunity to switch to the other editor via buttons on the toolbars, for occasional edits''.
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: {{ping|Elitre (WMF)}}, let me say about "single edit tab":please make "両方のエディタータブを表示する" default. If you make "single edit tab" only visible from the beginning, many jawp peole (at least I) would be angry by ''being forced to choose which''. If you make the ''both'' tabs visible to jawp users, there would not come out much trouble. Sorry for my poor English - can you understand what I'm worrying?--[[利用者:Miya|miya]]（[[利用者‐会話:Miya|会話]]） 2016年4月28日 (木) 21:46 (UTC)
::My dear [[利用者:Miya|miya]], thanks for your comment. Please do not worry about the English, as you know it's not my native language either. Let me now offer some additional information for your evaluation.
::The Japanese Wikipedia has 2,300 registered users who are trying the visual editor (not all of them are active, of course). In the last month, this wiki had ''12,300'' registered active editors; I don't think imposing the additional visual editor tab on ten thousand people is what you want, specifically because most of them have ''chosen'' to not use the visual editor in time (besides, we aren't considering the anonymous editors, who will also be affected by the change, and they can't hide the visual editor tab).
::There are 2 things we have learned in these years through formal user research and communities' feedback. One is that new users, the ones we hope to help with the visual editor, are confused by having 2 edit tabs, because they don't know which one they should click on. The other is that most of the other users, the ones who have been editing for years like you and me, actually want just one edit tab (at the Polish Wikipedia, where the single edit tab was introduced weeks ago, only 30% of the editors ''chose'' to keep the 2 tabs). Switching between the editors is conveniently available from buttons on the toolbars, and that seems to be working so far.
::All the wikis will switch to the single edit tab system at some point (it's already on at the English Wikipedia, for example): deploying the visual editor with the 2 tabs system and then changing the system in a few weeks or months would totally confuse everyone here.
::If we make both the tabs visible, ''most'' of those 12,300 users will have to go and change the editing setting from their Preferences. If we only offer one, ''some'' of the 2,300 users will be shown a pop-up where they can decide what they want to do, only once. So this is a matter of giving a minor annoyance (a pop-up) to a small number of users with the single edit tab, or giving a major annoyance (having to go to their Preferences to change) to everyone for the 2 tabs + changing things again in a short time. I really don't think you want your community to be upset by changes so often. Is there anything I can do or say to clarify things further? Is there a specific group of editors you are worried about? Thanks, and talk to you soon, --[[利用者:Elitre (WMF)|Elitre (WMF)]]（[[利用者‐会話:Elitre (WMF)|会話]]） 2016年4月29日 (金) 09:40 (UTC)
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